First time buying pure P13 rays so share here

[smalllfish]

can we say (for comparision):

pdr = rtg
bdleo = hb
bd = xb

low grade xb sell as hb?
high grade hb sell as bd?

[azon]

Originally Posted by Zhuoyuting

Oh why I mention disappointing is.
That I didn't expect ppl to comment the female to the extend of pdr.
Cause until now i haven seen any pdr that have spotting in such manner.
Hopefully I clear the air...

I'm not disappointed with my choice.

If any bros seen any pdr that look like this kindly show picture of the rays.

Here is some of the pdr pups which I sold years back.. size is about 6"-7".. maybe I should let the pdr parent start having sex again..

[Zhuoyuting]

Thanks azon really leh.
Swee swee...

Finally have something to compare.
Do you have the semi adult pic?

[Zhuoyuting]

Originally Posted by washywashy

I concur with you bro. I don't agree passing off a BD that doesn't 'meet the mark' as a BDLeo. But if the seller wants to price it at a BDLeo price, it is up to him. As buyers, we shouldn't haggle too. Happy buyer, happy seller. Spend within your means. It is a hobby anyway! However, this applies to honest sellers though.

I also appreciate BD and rays in general for their ability to morph as they age. The thing is, I have seen very normal looking BD pups turning into a superb piece at a semi-adult stage. If I'm not mistaken, it belongs to Kai from Thailand. Happy ray-ing bros!

Originally Posted by nutx

Bro...

Ray...to me is a unique fish, that every pc.... the pattern is unique and nice!
Some can even mark out the numbers, alphabet and images from the pattern.

There is no specific way of appreciating a nice fish.
Some like it black, some like it brown by motoro, or sp, some like big spot, some like small dots like star just like P14.


and as they grow, the pattern change...this is wat I like most.

Cheers,

Indeed ray is a very unique fish.
When will you show us some of your rays again update update.

Thanks.

[Zhuoyuting]

Originally Posted by washywashy

I concur with you bro. I don't agree passing off a BD that doesn't 'meet the mark' as a BDLeo. But if the seller wants to price it at a BDLeo price, it is up to him. As buyers, we shouldn't haggle too. Happy buyer, happy seller. Spend within your means. It is a hobby anyway! However, this applies to honest sellers though.

I also appreciate BD and rays in general for their ability to morph as they age. The thing is, I have seen very normal looking BD pups turning into a superb piece at a semi-adult stage. If I'm not mistaken, it belongs to Kai from Thailand. Happy ray-ing bros!

You got a point understand!

Care to share how normal looking is the BD you saw?
Got as normal as my?

[washywashy]

Originally Posted by Zhuoyuting

You got a point understand!

Care to share how normal looking is the BD you saw?
Got as normal as my?

Haha.. If I'm not mistaken, it looked worse than yours. Wait, I go dig

[azon]

Originally Posted by Zhuoyuting

Thanks azon really leh.
Swee swee...

Finally have something to compare.
Do you have the semi adult pic?

I try to find..

I got a self bred adult working male pdr in my pond.. will get a vid when I go farm during weekend..

[Zhuoyuting]

Originally Posted by azon

I try to find..

I got a self bred adult working male pdr in my pond.. will get a vid when I go farm during weekend..

Originally Posted by washywashy

Haha.. If I'm not mistaken, it looked worse than yours. Wait, I go dig

Thanks for both party willing to take the effort to show me pictures.
So as to learn more.

[Nomis]

Originally Posted by nutx

Hi Simon,

I do not understand the need to pass off a BD as a BDleo....
My definition of BDleo is a mix of BD and PDR....hence if it is not a mix, then it is not a mix lor...why pass off as mix?

and if a BDLeo lookalike like BD, sell as BD? would the spot turn small when grow adult?

Most discussions in forum are on pup, hence they look similar....

Maybe you can show some BDleo adult vs BD adult to educate us.

On the colour tone...like I said, is my personal opinion. You try putting a BD and BDleo side by side, and see whether the colour tone is the same.
Maybe is just happen to those few that I seen.

Again, I'm a hobbyist not a breeder...

I see the need to "brand" my fish per it's outlook in order to avoid misconception thereafter. Especially so when it doesn't fall within "typical" description of the higher grade type and furthermore as a breeder whom sell the pups.

Again , till to date what is a clear definition of BD has yet to be established. Thousand and one answers you may find but still ambiguous.

So my take is still " only breeders know it's quality and buyer just need to buy within their liking and budget".

Simon

[Tay]

Personal view both rays looks ok to me esp the male with big spots. Fm wat lap sap PDR????? not bad quality lah. If everyone compare rays based on top top grade BD only, then ask urself, one willing to pay that kind of price? I believe many wan pay peanut but wan top grade quality. Affordability is v impt to many. I hv met many that just want to own a simple ray v happy liao cos they cant afford.

BDleo, BD............ we had been discussing abt this so many time and same qns and ans keep coming back. Tired......

I think TS now most important is take note tat both pups looks v small and v young that need extra care. Grooming is needed for the fm, so will turn out better.

BTW not my rays. TS pls also take note tat there r pple out there giving bad comments on other pple rays cos of certain reasons. so pls dont take them too hard lah, not pointing at anyone, just that I heard many many stories recently abt bad mouthing. HAIZZZZZZZZ

Honestly, now I am so scared really so scared to sell BD, BDleo, or normal P13. No matter how u sell will still hv issue........ no end. Unless sold at motoro price then no more issue. HAIZZZZZ really so difficult for breeders. No wonder black monkey dont wan to sell but only export.