Arofanatics Fish Talk Forums  

Go Back   Arofanatics Fish Talk Forums > Arowana Forum > Arowana Discussion > Articles, Resources & FAQs

 
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 11-03-2006, 02:12 PM   #1
blacks
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Default Use of salt

There are many types of “salts” but I assume you are talking about sodium chloride (NaCl), which dissociates into Na+ and Cl+ ions in solution. It will NOT add any other electrolytes to water nor will it increase dissolved oxygen in water. It is an irritant and will unnecessarily promote excessive mucus production in fish. There are many arguments against the use of salt as a general “tonic”.

1) Many experienced hobbyists believe that constant use of salt have resulted in more salt tolerant strains of parasites that require double strength dosages to treat.
2) Many species of catfish, tetras, loaches are intolerant of salt.
3) Fish that come from soft (low GH), acidic (low pH) water also come from water that’s very low in TDS (total dissolved solids). Salt dramatically raises the TDS of water even though it does not affect GH.

So unless your FRESHWATER fish are suffering from an illness (such as nitrite poisoning, parasites, bacterial/fungal infection), it is not needed nor is it recommended.

Salt will not prevent diseases. Proper quarantine, water quality and nutrition does.

The more salts (or any dissolved solids) in solution, the less dissolved oxygen capacity you will have.

Salts are absorbed by the gill membranes and into the bloodstream through osmosis (much the same way as dissolved oxygen). Freshwater fish have developed a highly efficient urinary system through many, many years of evolution which allows them to expel excess water in order for them to osmoregulate or else their system would be flooded with fluids (like dropsy). Their kidneys are so efficient that, even in water that's very low in TDS, they are still able to retain the salts in their body while excreting urea. Salt is not needed in a freshwater environment simply because nature has already found a way for these fish to survive without it.

That being said, salt is a very effective tool in fishkeeping. It will help prevent nitrite poisoning (but that's only when you are cycling a tank and there's nitrites present). It will also combat a wide range of ailments such as parasites and bacterial infections (but that's only when your fish have these ailments).

Just like in humans, salt is necessary to maintain body function (not just sodium salts). But even in rivers that are very low in dissolved solids and hardness, there are still trace amounts of salts in the water. The only reason why we would put salts and buffers back in is when we reconstitute R/O or distilled water.

From Aquaria Central :

QUOTE
The term osmosis is simply the diffusion of water. The gill membrane allows the passage of many different molecules. Sodium (Na+), chloride (Cl-), water (H2O), respiratory gases such as carbon dioxide (CO2) and others. When concentrated solutions move to lower areas in this way, no energy is expelled. This occurs via osmotic pressure and is called passive transport. Other factors in osmoregulation do require energy such as respiration, blood flow, kidney function, etc.. Even a seemingly resting fish is still expending a great deal of energy to maintain it's internal salt to water ratio. This is especially so in captive specimens due to the fluctuating salinity level of the home aquarium.

In order to simplify and properly explore the differences between fresh and saltwater fish, in regards to osmoregulation, we must address the two groups separately. Many substances are passing in and out of the gill simultaneously. As Na+ and H2O pass inward for osmoregulation, ammonium ions (NH4) and hydrogen ions (H+) pass outward. Freshwater fish face two problems: 1) getting rid of excess water and 2) maintaining proper salt content in their bodies. Their bodies need to maintain a higher level of salt than the surrounding water. As H2O passes in through their gill, Na+ is lost. To counter act this problem, freshwater fish drink constantly to maintain proper ionic levels. These ions obtained from drinking are transferred to the blood through the kidney via the "Bowman's capsule". Ions obtained through osmosis at the gill have a direct link to the blood via specialized "Chloride cells" in the gill. The efficient kidney enables the fish to excrete H2O very rapidly as a dilute urine. Na+ loss is greatly reduced by efficient reabsorption from the urine before it is excreted.
 
Old 22-03-2006, 04:47 PM   #2
blacks
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Default Frequently asked questions on salt and transporting fish

http://www.practicalfishkeeping.co.u...article_id=392

Why is salt added when fish are being shipped?

Freshwater fish are saltier than the water they live in and their skin is semi-permeable. The concentration gradient between the freshwater and the fishes' saline innards mean that they leak salts into the water and need to pump them back in to their bodies (via special cells in the gills) to keep their bodies salty. This is called osmoregulation.

When freshwater fish get stressed, as they can do when they're being flown across the world in a bag, they leak bodily minerals into their water. Research has shown that adding salt to their transport water can minimise the amount of salts they lose, which in turn reduces stress. This can dramatically reduce the number of fish that die on the journey and should mean that the fish are less likely to develop diseases when they're being quarantined.

Does salt reduce stress?

Yes. Several studies have shown that many fish, even those that never live in salty water, have lower stress levels and higher survival rates during and after transport when salt is present in their water. For these reasons, salt is widely used during transit for fish, both in aquatics and in aquaculture.

Another scientist suggested 2ppt as a guideline, but most Singapore suppliers are said to dose their fish with salt in transport at a rate of 0.5-3ppt.

Should newly imported fish be kept in salted water?

In some cases, yes, and this is more important than many people realise. If the fish have been imported in salted water, research has shown that losses are lower if they are added to salted tanks and then gradually acclimatised back to freshwater over a period of days.

For example, Lim et al (2002) shipped guppies from Singapore in water with 1, 3 and 9ppt of salt, and then placed the fish in either freshwater or water containing the same level of salt to their transport water. When the fish were added to freshwater, the level of losses in all batches were about the same.

However, when they were placed in tanks containing the same salt level to their transport water, and then acclimatised back to freshwater via a 30% daily water change, losses were greatly reduced!

Lim reckons that the addition of salt, even only 1ppt, is critical to the recovery of guppies after transport. Therefore it's important that your dealer, or his wholesaler, puts newly imported fish into salted tanks (if they arrived in salted shipping water) to start off the quarantine process. Lim calls this 'recovery water'. The fish then need to be gradually acclimatised to freshwater through daily 30% water changes to dilute the salt.

There is no need for the shop, or you, to keep guppies or other non-brackish species in salted water permanently. Indeed, none of the experts we spoke to advocated long term salt use.

Besides, guppies are freshwater fish, anyway.
 
Old 22-03-2006, 04:52 PM   #3
blacks
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Default

Frequently asked questions on using salt

http://www.practicalfishkeeping.co.u...article_id=335


Many people are very anti-salt. Why is this, and why on earth would you want to add salt to a freshwater tank, anyway?

Unfortunately, there are lots of myths and old wives' tales surrounding the use of salt. While it is sometimes used inappropriately, it does have a number of genuine, scientifically valid uses in the aquarium for treating health problems, tackling water quality problems and minimising stress, especially during transport. Most of these work by salt's effect on the osmoregulation of freshwater fish.


What is osmoregulation? Is it to do with osmosis?

Osmoregulation is the technical term for the physiological mechanism fish use to control the amount of salt and water in their bodily fluids. As the name suggests, it's based on osmosis.

If you are young enough to remember your schooldays, you'll recall that this is the movement of dissolved stuff through a semi-permeable membrane from a strong concentration to a weaker one.

Basically, freshwater fish are saltier than the water they live in, and their skin is semi-permeable. Since there's a big difference between the amount of salt on the inside of the fish and the amount of salt in the freshwater they live in, freshwater fish leak bodily salts and take in water. Of course, this presents two problems for a freshwater fish: taking in salt and getting rid of water.

Osmoregulation tends to not work so well when the fish are stressed or diseased. This "osmoregulatory dysfunction" means that fish find it difficult to get sufficient salts from the water and may have problems getting rid of excess water.


How do freshwater fish get rid of excess water and take in salts?


Getting rid of the water that floods in is fairly easy. You just urinate constantly! Freshwater fish produce vast amounts of urine - some produce their own body weight in wee every three or four days.

If you were, for argument's sake, a 76kg/12 stone Guppy, you'd be able to fill a Juwel Rio 180 with your own urine in about a week!

Taking in extra salts to replenish those lost to the water takes a bit more effort. Freshwater fish use special cells in their gills to take in the salts, such as chloride, that they lose to the water, which helps keep their bodies salty. Adding salt to the water when fish are stressed means that they don't lose as much salt from their bodies. The principle is much the same as a saline drip for hospital patients.


Should salt be added as a routine tonic for freshwater fish?

Some shops and salt manufacturers recommend adding salt as a routine permanent treatment. However, while salt has some advantages, there is no need to dose with salt on a permanent basis. Most experts only advocate this for brackish species.

Leading fish vet Chris Walster says: "Freshwater fish should be kept in freshwater, not any other.

"We have no idea of what effect placing freshwater fish in salted water has from a welfare perspective. We know that if we place freshwater fish in seawater that they will die sooner or later. We simply do not know, even at a low level of salt, whether it irritates the eyes or gills, etc.

"When we swim in the sea, the salt irritates our eyes. Is it the same for freshwater fish? Are there any other unknown effects which occur weeks, months or years later?"

Fish health expert Dr Peter Burgess says he certainly doesn't advocate salt for permanent use: "Unless the species has a natural requirement for salt, then we should not add salt to an aquarium (or pond).

"Tonic salt for freshwater fish is a bit like aspirin for humans: both medicines have many beneficial uses, but neither should be administered routinely just for the sake of it. Bear in mind that most tropical community tanks will contain salt-sensitive species, such as catfishes.

"Salt can be used as a supportive for salt-tolerant species, for example if the fish have severe ulcers or other major skin breaches that can place a burden on the osmoregulatory system. But healthy, unstressed fish do not need this support. Never use salt to compensate for bad fishkeeping!"


Why, then, is salt added to freshwater systems?

When freshwater fish are stressed, they suffer from osmoregulatory dysfunction, which basically means that they lose bodily salts to the surrounding water. Stress causes this salt-water balance system to stop working properly and the fish suffer.

Adding salt to the water in times of stress can help minimise salt losses by the fish. It can also reduce the toxicity of pollutants and may kill some pathogens.
What problems can low doses cause?

Dr Peter Burgess told us: "I have heard that salt can damage pond plants and, of course, it can only be removed by the diluting effects of water changes. Also, the prolonged use of salt can make some pond fish parasites (eg Trichodina) more salt-resistant, which means even higher salt levels will be needed to eradicate these organisms."


Can salt really help to fight diseases, such as parasites?

Yes. Salt has been used for decades as a cheap and effective treatment against many diseases, particularly protozoan infections on pond fish such as Chilodonella, Trichodina and Costia, but also some other pathogens, such as gill and skin flukes.

It rarely has an adverse effect on filtration, unlike many other medications, and can either be used as a longer-term low-dose bath or a higher-dose short-term dip.

However, particular care needs to be taken when using strong salt baths, particularly if the fish are already weakened by disease.


Does this work the other way round? Can lowering the salinity in a marine tank eradicate parasites?

Yes, this may work for some marine parasites, but not for all of them, including marine whitespot, contrary to popular belief among those in the marine community!

Dr Peter Burgess, who holds a doctorate on this very subject, told us: "My friend Dr Angelo Colorni in Israel (another Cryptocaryon fanatic, like me!) found that freshwater dips, even long ones, for up to 18 hours, did not prevent development of the parasites in the fish's skin. I guess the skin partly protects the parasites from hypo-salinity effects.

"Colorni found that the free-living infective (theront) stage of Cryptocaryon was hypo-saline sensitive, being killed at salinities below 25 parts per thousand. Of course, most other common skin parasites live on the skin surface, not beneath it, as in ich/crypto, so are more vulnerable to low salinities."


Can salt clear the gills of mucus which builds up when fish suffer from parasites or poisoning?

Yes. According to fish vet Chris Walster, at lower dosages salt can clear the gills of excess mucus.

However, he suspects it may act as an irritant at higher doses: "It could promote mucus production, causing the excess to slough off. This effect probably would be short-term (stress to fish, depletion of mucus cells), and the benefits need to be considered against the disadvantages.

"As such I might use it in an emergency as a one-off treatment where the fish is suffering respiratory distress and no other alternatives were available."

Tetra's Rupert Bridges spoke to their research and development scientists.

He told us: "They suggest that adding salt increases the production of mucus, and therefore speeds the renewal of the mucus layer. The effect is therefore due to a higher turnover of mucus, which helps rid the gills of parasites, etc.

"In my opinion, this is a more satisfactory explanation than any reduction in toxicity of nitrite and ammonia, as salt generally works to rid the blood of excess ammonia and prevent nitrite take-up, not reduce its concentration in the water."


Are fry and young fish more sensitive to salt than adults?

Yes, lab studies have shown that fry are not as tolerant to salt as larger fish. Rothen et al. (2002) studied the effects of salt on the fry of Blue gouramis, Zebra danios, Black widow tetras and Buenos Aires tetras.

All fry tolerated up to 1ppt, and doses as high as 3ppt had little effect on Blue gourami fry. The tetras and danios were OK at 1ppt, but started to suffer at higher dosages. Exercise caution.


What exactly is "tonic salt"? Surely salt is just salt, isn't it?

Tonic, or aquarium salt, is basically plain old sodium chloride, often with a bit of anti-caking agent thrown in to make it easier to pour. Marine salt, on the other hand, is much more complex and contains special blends of minerals, like magnesium and calcium, which are useful for making the water better for marine invertebrates.

Tonic salt doesn't do this. It's designed for therapeutic use, not for making the water resemble that of the sea.


I've been warned off aquarium salts that contain sodium hexocyanoferrate. Why is this?


The additive sodium hexocyanoferrate is an anti-caking agent and is designed to make salt free-flowing. Without an anti-caking agent, salt tends to take up moisture from the air and form hard lumps which are harder to dissolve.

Most fishkeeping writers, myself included, have advised against the use of salt containing this - but I'd bet money on none of them knowing the reason why. I certainly didn't know why this stuff was said to be potentially toxic.

Sodium hexocyanoferrate contains cyanide! Run-off from roadside salt storage facilities, which contain salt containing sodium hexocyanoferrate used for salting icy roads, have been found by Ohno (1990) to contain high levels of cyanide!

Cyanide is toxic to fish at high levels, which is why its use to catch marine fish is frowned upon.

I've been unable to find any evidence in the journals which show that this is harmful to fish in the low levels that are likely to occur in the aquarium. Most suppliers of bulk tonic salt label their product as containing it. The salts are used extensively, and I've never heard of problems relating to their use.


So what's Malawi salt? I thought Malawi was a freshwater lake.


The "salt" recommended for use in Rift Lake cichlid aquaria is probably best called a mineral supplement, since it isn't based on sodium chloride. It's designed to make the water harder and more alkaline, not saltier.

Some people advocate adding tonic salt for Malawis, others reckon it can lead to Malawi Bloat. It is neither an essential nor a recommended addition to a Malawi tank, and we would never advise you to add it.

Malawi Salt, on the other hand, is handy if you live in a softwater area, since it effectively replenishes the missing minerals in your water.


What salt should I use in a brackish aquarium?

Brackish fish expert Dr Neale Monks says: "Marine salt mix. It's so inexpensive in the quantities brackish or freshwater require that there's no point economising with table or rock salt."


How do I calculate the correct dose to add?

Salt is normally dosed in grams per litre or parts per thousand. Both equate to the same amount: 1ppt is 1g per litre. This makes it easy to calculate how much is required if you know the aquarium or pond volume. There is, however, a Salt Mix Calculator on this PFK website to save your brain from the necessary mathematics.


Which species are intolerant of salt?


This is a tricky question, because it's hard to confirm that problems seen in fish have been caused by administering salt. I've seen salt used widely on a range of supposedly salt-intolerant species with no obvious ill-effects.

However, many claim that catfishes, especially Corydoras, and Malawi cichlids tolerate salt badly - I've yet to see this myself, though. Research shows that many fish from soft, acidic water will tolerate salt.

Vet Chris Walster told us he had not yet seen a species that appeared intolerant. He said: "Where I have come across an unfamiliar species, I would always recommend a test treatment first. This test should be observed and the fish put into freshwater at the first signs of distress. Salt dosage is varied not only by strength but also by time. Having said that, I am aware that there is variation between species and within species on their tolerance to salt."

Tetra's Rupert Bridges says: "I have come across very few studies that have shown intolerance to salt (NaCl) levels as low as 1-3ppt. One study (Rothen et al. 2002) showed that danio (D. rerio), Gymnocorymbus ternetzi, and Hemigrammus caudovittatus fry displayed higher mortality rates at salinities of 1-3ppt, but that Blue gourami fry were tolerant.

"Often softwater fish are credited with poor salinity tolerance. I have also heard that catfish are cited with poor salinity tolerance, but some species do tolerate reasonably high levels. The general rule would be that salinities up to 3ppt are fine for coldwater fish, but that salt should only be used with caution (perhaps at 0.5-1ppt) or not at all for tropical aquaria."

Dr Peter Burgess also reckons that many catfishes and some other groups can be intolerant: "On an individual basis, freshwater fish that are weakened tend to be less salt-tolerant than healthy individuals."


How does salt affect the toxicity of ammonia to fish?

Ammonia is present in two forms in water: ammonium and free ammonia. Ammonium is not very toxic to fish, but free ammonia is. The ratio of dangerous free ammonia to less toxic ammonium depends on the pH, temperature and salinity. As salinity drops, free ammonia increases.

Importantly, ammonia test kits do not measure the level of free ammonia. Instead, they measure something called total ammonia nitrogen, a combination of free ammonia and ammonium. It is up to you to calculate how much free ammonia is present. The PFK website has a calculator to work this out for you.


Can adding salt reduce the toxicity of nitrite to fish?

Yes, salt reduces the toxicity of nitrite to freshwater fish. Salt is a compound containing sodium and chloride (NaCl). Studies have shown that chloride reduces the toxicity of nitrite to fish, so salt can be added to provide the chloride ions that offer the fish some protection against the nitrite.

Very importantly, the level of chloride required to do this need not be very high at all. Research suggests a dose of between 7:1 and 10:1 chloride to nitrite is all that is needed. So adding salt to protect against nitrite pollution should be safe even for salt-intolerant species, because only a tiny quantity is required. There is a Nitrite Toxicity Calculator on our website to calculate what you need.

Dr Peter Burgess agrees that too many people incorrectly assume that a high level of salt is needed to tackle a nitrite crisis.

Peter told us: "For counteracting the effects of high nitrite, just 100 mg (0.1g) salt per litre is enough. This very low salt level is tolerated by virtually all freshwater fish, even catfishes."

As we went to press, a new paper was published in the journal Environmental Science and Technology which looked at the physiological reason why some fish were more susceptible to nitrite poisoning. Again, it's all down to chloride.


Does salt affect nitrate toxicity?


Yes, there may be some evidence for this. Westin (1974) has shown that nitrate is more toxic in brackish water than in freshwater. New research on nitrate toxicity in freshwater and marine conditions has been published in Chemosphere.

This suggests that the main toxic effect of nitrate is due to its ability to convert oxygen-carrying pigments to forms that are incapable of carrying oxygen. It says that nitrate is technically less toxic in saltier water.


What is the normal therapeutic dose rate?


AIf fish have parasites, open wounds or osmoregulatory problems that cause dropsy or popeye, a dose between 1-5ppt is the norm, according to fish veterinary texts.

The salt is dissolved in a bucket of water before being added, and then left in the tank as a permanent bath. If you want to sustain the salt level over an extended period, add the same dose of salt to water changes.

Temporary 4-5 minute baths are only used in extreme circumstances. These use a high dose of 30-35ppt, which is about the same as full-strength seawater. Remove the fish if they appear to be getting stressed.

Fish vet Chris Walster says that the dosage required is very variable and should be looked at on a case by case basis: "Salt should not be used as a permanent bath at any dose. Its main use is as a first aid treatment until the correct diagnosis is found, or at low doses in support of other therapies."

He says a general dose of 1.5-3g/l. can be used as a long-term bath for up to two weeks, but that this can be doubled depending on the species and the size of the fish.

He says this is useful after transportation and as a supportive to other therapies, such as when fish are being treated for ulcerations. Smaller and younger fish should be started on doses of 0.5 ppt.

Says Chris: "As a short-term bath, anything up to 37.4ppt per litre with a time of 30 seconds to 10 minutes. This is useful for clearing excess mucus, and by secondary intent, removal and reduction of any pathogens on the surface of the fish."
 
 


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT +9. The time now is 05:38 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Copyright © 2000-2008 Arofanatics.com (Since 30th August 2000)