Another Lee Squabble

[lenghan]

Slowly but surely LHL's kakis are responding against LHY

[AroHong]

Originally Posted by Ong88

Here's another spin.

What if this was a choreographed wayang kulit to test the loyalty of lhl lieutenants?

Out of country, "bombshell", see who chut pattern .......

My guess from the start abit similar, but it's an exit strategy.
Two strong contenders in 3rd Gen already given a chance to openly declare no interest to enter politics to the world.
Look at the party, so many 2nd Gen took over.
Must be alot of pressure to continue.....

[stargazer]

Singaporeans can urge the Lees to settle their dispute amicably in private or through closed–door arbitration, said Emeritus Senior Minister Goh Chok Tong.

“It is not worth tearing up family bonds built over a lifetime over these differences, however serious they are.
This is not the family legacy which their father would have wanted to leave behind,” said Goh in a Facebook post.
The former Prime Minister was the third senior political figure in a day to weigh in on the ongoing feud between Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong
and his younger siblings Hsien Yang and Wei Ling.

Since issuing a statement on Wednesday denouncing their older brother PM Lee,
the younger Lees have engaged in a flurry of social media posts detailing various allegations and rebuttals to PM Lee.

In response, PM Lee released on Thursday a summary of statutory declarations to a Ministerial Committee set up to explore the options for the house at 38 Oxley Road,
the residence of the late former prime minister Lee Kuan Yew, who was the father of the three younger Lees.

Besides the fate of the house, PM Lee and his two siblings are also squabbling over the contents of the late Lee’s will pertaining to his intentions for the house.

Earlier on Saturday, Law and Home Affairs Minister K Shanmugam said in a Facebook post that
“most Singaporeans are sick and tired about these endless allegations, which are quite baseless.” He added,
“The government has serious business to attend to relating to the welfare of Singaporeans.”

The “secretive” Ministerial Committee

On the same day, Deputy Prime Minister Teo Chee Hean also revealed for the first time that he chairs the Ministerial Committee.
“The Government has the responsibility to consider the public interest aspects of any property with heritage and historical significance,
and this applies to 38 Oxley Road,” said Teo in a statement.

“The committee’s interest in Mr Lee’s will is confined to the light that it sheds on (Lee Kuan Yew’s) wishes for the house.”

Teo noted that the Committee is currently studying “various intermediate options”.
For example, demolishing the house but keeping the basement dining room where many important historical meetings took place, with an appropriate heritage centre attached.

He also denied the younger Lees’ assertion that the Committee was “secretive” and disclosed the identities of three of its members:
Minister for Culture, Community and Youth Grace Fu, Minister for National Development Lawrence Wong and Shanmugam.

Shanmugam also noted separately that there are “dozens” of Cabinet Committees considering a variety of matters.
He said, “Their composition is not public and they report to the Cabinet.”

In response, Hsien Yang claimed in a Facebook post that Shanmugam’s presence on the committee represented a “clear conflict of interest”,
given that the minister had advised Lee Kuan Yew, Hsien Yang and Wei Ling on aspects of the late Lee’s will related to his wishes for the house.

“We found the refusal to identify the members of the committee, and to confirm Shanmugam’s recusal particularly troubling as he is an experienced Senior Counsel and
Minister for Law who should well understand the problem of conflicts of interests. Only now do we find out that he is indeed a member of this Committee.”

Posting his remarks shortly after, Shanmugam declared that the suggestion that he is in conflict was “ridiculous.”
He added, “I was already a Cabinet Minister when I spoke with some members of the Lee family – at their behest – and gave them my views.
They were not my clients. Nothing that I said then precludes me from serving in this Committee.
“I am well aware of the rules of conflict, having been in practice for over 22 years.
If Mr Lee Hsien Yang seriously believes that I was in conflict, he can get a lawyer to write to me and I will respond.”

Meanwhile, ESM Goh also said that he supports the “careful way” in which Teo and the Government are handling the issue as public interests are involved.
“I advised (DPM Teo) to respect Lee Kuan Yew’s wish but agreed that it would be disrespectful of our own heritage to just demolish the house
for it to be replaced by a commercial building or another private residence.”

[loveikan]

LHL stated that the final will was done by LSF law firm, Stamford. LHY only countered that the last will was drafted by Ms Kwa from Lee&Lee
Ms Kwa had clearly deny that she did not prepare the last will.

So my take on the above is Ms Kwa did prepare the draft and Stamford had prepare the last will.

[jwhtan]

Haven't seen any response to these two allegations.
Have been waiting earnestly in anticipation of a clear rebuttal or at least a denial, but nothing so far.

• That PM Lee used his position as Prime Minister of Singapore to obtain the Deed of Gift from Minister Lawrence Wong,
  then handed it to his personal lawyer for the purpose of personal gain;
  
  
• That PM Lee supported the appointment of the current Attorney-General of Singapore, Lucien Wong, for less-than-meritocratic reasons.
  It was revealed that Lucien Wong was PM Lee’s personal lawyer who was appointed as A-G soon after the family dispute over 38 Oxley Road began.
  

Basically the Deed of Gift was a legal document executed between Dr Lee and Mr Lee with the National Heritage Board for the
“donation and public exhibition of significant items from (their) parents’ home, with a stipulation that Mr Lee Kuan Yew’s wish for the demolition of 38 Oxley Road
be prominently displayed. It is alleged that PM Lee, acting as Prime Minister instead of a private citizen, tapped on Minister of National Development Lawrence Wong
to obtain said Deed of Gift via political means (rather than appropriate legal channels as per a private citizen).
PM Lee then allegedly passed on the Deed of Gift to personal lawyer Lucien Wong, without the knowledge of either Dr Lee and Mr Lee or the National Heritage Board.

On the second allegation, Dr Lee and Mr Lee claimed that soon after they donated the items to the National Heritage Board, they
“soon received letters with spurious objections from Hsien Loong’s then personal lawyer, Lucien Wong. Lucien Wong was made Singapore’s Attorney-General in January 2017.”
The insinuation here is that Attorney-General Lucien Wong’s appointment was made in a less-than-meritocratic manner;
perhaps as a reward for the services provided to PM Lee as his personal lawyer.
What may support this claim is that, at the time of appointment, Wong was the first A-G who had “no experience on the Bench, nor acted for the State in legal matters”.
While Wong is a top corporate lawyer, he had little criminal prosecutorial experience before he became A-G.

[KeeHuat]

Originally Posted by jwhtan

Haven't seen any response to these two allegations.
Have been waiting earnestly in anticipation of a clear rebuttal or at least a denial, but nothing so far.

• That PM Lee used his position as Prime Minister of Singapore to obtain the Deed of Gift from Minister Lawrence Wong,
  then handed it to his personal lawyer for the purpose of personal gain;
  
  
• That PM Lee supported the appointment of the current Attorney-General of Singapore, Lucien Wong, for less-than-meritocratic reasons.
  It was revealed that Lucien Wong was PM Lee’s personal lawyer who was appointed as A-G soon after the family dispute over 38 Oxley Road began.
  

Basically the Deed of Gift was a legal document executed between Dr Lee and Mr Lee with the National Heritage Board for the
“donation and public exhibition of significant items from (their) parents’ home, with a stipulation that Mr Lee Kuan Yew’s wish for the demolition of 38 Oxley Road
be prominently displayed. It is alleged that PM Lee, acting as Prime Minister instead of a private citizen, tapped on Minister of National Development Lawrence Wong
to obtain said Deed of Gift via political means (rather than appropriate legal channels as per a private citizen).
PM Lee then allegedly passed on the Deed of Gift to personal lawyer Lucien Wong, without the knowledge of either Dr Lee and Mr Lee or the National Heritage Board.

On the second allegation, Dr Lee and Mr Lee claimed that soon after they donated the items to the National Heritage Board, they
“soon received letters with spurious objections from Hsien Loong’s then personal lawyer, Lucien Wong. Lucien Wong was made Singapore’s Attorney-General in January 2017.”
The insinuation here is that Attorney-General Lucien Wong’s appointment was made in a less-than-meritocratic manner;
perhaps as a reward for the services provided to PM Lee as his personal lawyer.
What may support this claim is that, at the time of appointment, Wong was the first A-G who had “no experience on the Bench, nor acted for the State in legal matters”.
While Wong is a top corporate lawyer, he had little criminal prosecutorial experience before he became A-G.

Parliament: Shanmugam, Sylvia Lim clash over age of incoming Attorney-General

http://www.straitstimes.com/singapor...torney-general

[byfun]

Originally Posted by KeeHuat

So what is your interpretation of GCT's response...."a family's petty disputes". Is he whacking all 3 Lees

http://www.todayonline.com/singapore...-goh-chok-tong

I think its quite obvious he is on LHL side... citing this as a family petty dispute ... hoping most Sporeans also see it this way instead of Integrity issue and abuse of power by the PM.

On 3 Dec 1999 on Asiaweek... GCT say

"We have an understanding that if a minister is defamed and he does not sue, he must leave the cabinet."

So now both pm siblings alleged pm has integrity issue and abuse of power and they dont trust him as a brother and as PM. Think GCT should n must advise LHL to sue ...

[KeeHuat]

Originally Posted by byfun

I think its quite obvious he is on LHL side... citing this as a family petty dispute ... hoping most Sporeans also see it this way instead of Integrity issue and abuse of power by the PM.

On 3 Dec 1999 on Asiaweek... GCT say

"We have an understanding that if a minister is defamed and he does not sue, he must leave the cabinet."

So now both pm siblings alleged pm has integrity issue and abuse of power and they dont trust him as a brother and as PM. Think GCT should n must advise LHL to sue ...

But he also said this

"......It is not worth tearing up family bonds built over a lifetime over these differences, however serious they are. This is not the family legacy which their father would have wanted to leave behind. Singaporeans can urge them to settle their dispute amicably in private or through closed–door arbitration - gct"

https://www.facebook.com/MParader/po...73977812644878

[millenium]

Good to observe and know who has been lying.

[globalcookie]

Originally Posted by stargazer

“It is not worth tearing up family bonds built over a lifetime over these differences, however serious they are.
This is not the family legacy which their father would have wanted to leave behind,” said Goh in a Facebook post.


Earlier on Saturday, Law and Home Affairs Minister K Shanmugam said in a Facebook post that
“most Singaporeans are sick and tired about these endless allegations, which are quite baseless.” He added,
“The government has serious business to attend to relating to the welfare of Singaporeans.”


Meanwhile, ESM Goh also said that he supports the “careful way” in which Teo and the Government are handling the issue as public interests are involved.
“I advised (DPM Teo) to respect Lee Kuan Yew’s wish but agreed that it would be disrespectful of our own heritage to just demolish the house
for it to be replaced by a commercial building or another private residence.”

Any slap soon?

So is this a private family affair or a state affair? Even they themselves are confused or trying to confuse Singaporeans. If private family affair, why are so many ministers stepping in to speak on this topic?

Originally Posted by byfun

I think its quite obvious he is on LHL side... citing this as a family petty dispute ... hoping most Sporeans also see it this way instead of Integrity issue and abuse of power by the PM.

I see this as GCT being on the other side. Refer to the above, "respect LKY's wishes but agree it would be disrespectful of our own heritage to just demolish the house". He is being very diplomatic.