scales turning black - Page 3

Hobbit6003 · 03-11-2003, 12:56 AM

Hi vil,

Yeah, saw those pics in your gallery. Both aros seems to display the same clinical signs. As it is unlikely that both would have been traumatised at the same time, much less at almost the same region of their bodies, I've to suspect that the water would be the culprit. They are either partitioned, or in separate tanks right?

A few more questions:

1. You said that the tank had been setup for a while, how long after it was set up before the aros went in there?

2. How long did it take for the signs to appear after the aros were introduced?

It may not have been chloramine in the water, but some other undisclosed additives in there that is the problem.

What you may do now, is to treat the aros for possible secondary infection, using anti-bacterial medication. If you can, you may want to perform partial water change using pre-filtered water, if you feel that the waste level is high in there. Better still, do a nitrogenous waste level test before deciding whether to do so.

Cheers,

Kenny

03-11-2003, 12:59 AM

it lookz like kana burn from chorine..

03-11-2003, 10:17 AM

Perhaps i can give a simple history

these affected aros are actually from a comm tank of 8 aros.
they have been there for 7 days as at today.
the tank was cycled for 1 month with parrots and silver aros beforehand. salt was added before.
before the addition of aros, i did a check on ammonia and nitrite and both levels were fine, there were no water change before addition of these aros.

Day 1
all 8 aros were introduced, all doing fine and swimming well.

Day 3
Found out that this aro looks injured, assumed that it jumped cos a few scales were missing. took it out for treatment. Currently this aro had the worst appetite of all. Still swimming but not really too comfortably, pect fins are sometimes clamped.

Day 5
Found that this aro had slight protruding scales near mid region and top area of the body, adominal area unaffected. Two days later, these affected area began to darken. Took it out for treatment. Still feeding and swimming ok.

Day 6
Found another aro in the comm tank displaying such symptoms, top and rear areas looked burnt, one side of the rear area has slight protruding scales. However, its swimming and eating fine with the other aros. Did a 10-15% water change for the main tank. The 5 remaining aros are doing fine. Will try isolate it tonite for treatment as well.

pls help

03-11-2003, 10:42 AM

i bought my aro (1 only) from the same batch as vil's..... also suffering from the exact same symptoms.... so i don't think the problem is caused by the water or from jumping.....

maybe some internal infection or parasite?? anyway, i'll probably be bringing my aro to the vet....

vil, u working today right? i'll update u.... keep ur hp on!!!!!!!

Hobbit6003 · 03-11-2003, 11:26 AM

Hi cloudyrain and vil,

Thanks for the input.

Yeah, it looks like it has an infectious origin, some form of bacteria or ectoparasite.

It'll be good to isolate and treat them separately from the rest, lest it is contagious. It'll even be better to get the fishes to the vet for closer examination and treatment, as the key is to identify the organism that's causing this and render specific treatment to them.

I assume that they come from a com tank from the LFS? If that's the case, the cramped condition in that tank may also render the water quality poor, which then perpectuate this infection, and unfortunately, decided to show itself only after you take the aros home.

Cheers,

Kenny

Johnny5 · 03-11-2003, 03:21 PM

HI Guys,

Had similar experiences as well.., thought I might want to contribute on this area...

This is definitely caused by inappropriate water condition, our tap water has been extremely unstable lately, while it is safe for us but not so for our fishes (this can be seen by the no of stingray deaths lately, most of them occured shortly after a water change). Aging water for 24 hours no longer works. I would advise while aging the water, that activated carbon be added with some bubbling in the water.

I believe later cloudyrain will be back with what the vet says about this condition.

03-11-2003, 04:48 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Johnny5
HI Guys,

Had similar experiences as well.., thought I might want to contribute on this area...

This is definitely caused by inappropriate water condition, our tap water has been extremely unstable lately, while it is safe for us but not so for our fishes (this can be seen by the no of stingray deaths lately, most of them occured shortly after a water change). Aging water for 24 hours no longer works. I would advise while aging the water, that activated carbon be added with some bubbling in the water.

I believe later cloudyrain will be back with what the vet says about this condition.

you are rite, the vet mentioned abt water condition.
i think there are much more precautions /actions to take besides aging/dechlorinating the water.
perhaps i will leave the rest for rain to explain.
hoepfully our aros will recover soon.

03-11-2003, 05:20 PM

yo guys, i'll try to include the details of my visit in this quick post.... cos now in office....

book appointment for 1100
reach there 1115
my turn consultation 1230
finish 1245

doc say:

tap water in sg dangerous for fish and highly unpredictable....

fish gills inflammed after water change with water straight from the tap....

affect fish system.... result: water go into fish system but have difficulty coming out.... so the scales protrude due to bloating.... also, fish kidneys are being overworked

the black marks is caused by fish's reaction after suffering all these stress....

treatment: raise salt concentration to 0.3% (combining rock salt and epsom salt 3:1)

stop feeding for 3 days....

recovery expected in a week's time.....

prevention/recommendation: never use water straight from the tap for water changes....

filter tap water thru activated carbon before using....

if dun wan use activated carbon, age tap water for at least 3 days....

forgot to ask if he is member here, next time can get free consultation online.... shit!

next member to go please remember to ask him!!!!!

TES · 03-11-2003, 05:48 PM

Cloudyrain,

So, were U actually topping up your tank with tap water directly & how many % did U change ?

I do very small amount of w/c daily with tap water(for convenient sake) after sucking out the shit & larger amount on weekend with aged water & with genesis added. Looks like I better condition the water 1st before topping up from now on.

Hope your aro will recover soon.

Regards,
ES

03-11-2003, 06:17 PM

yo tes, thanks....

yes, i add water directly from the tap...

like u, i also change small % frequently.... around 1% at least 2 times a week.... sometimes more when i'm free....

but for my new aro, i changed no more than 0.6% during each of the 2 water changes in the past week.... (vet asked me, so i calculated at the vet's place)

i brought this up to the doc too, cos i believe there's nothing wrong with my water changing ritual.... (frequency v %)

however, he say the aro may have been affected when i'm topping up... (ie. the aro swim to where the tap water is being added in.... so it's akin to having big percentage water change with tap water)

this shd be the situation in my case cos for convenience sake, i did not ensure that the tap water was added in while the fish is nowhere near....

vil, u got change water at all?

03-11-2003, 05:20 PM	#28
cloudyrain Guest Posts: n/a	yo guys, i'll try to include the details of my visit in this quick post.... cos now in office.... book appointment for 1100 reach there 1115 my turn consultation 1230 finish 1245 doc say: tap water in sg dangerous for fish and highly unpredictable.... fish gills inflammed after water change with water straight from the tap.... affect fish system.... result: water go into fish system but have difficulty coming out.... so the scales protrude due to bloating.... also, fish kidneys are being overworked the black marks is caused by fish's reaction after suffering all these stress.... treatment: raise salt concentration to 0.3% (combining rock salt and epsom salt 3:1) stop feeding for 3 days.... recovery expected in a week's time..... prevention/recommendation: never use water straight from the tap for water changes.... filter tap water thru activated carbon before using.... if dun wan use activated carbon, age tap water for at least 3 days.... forgot to ask if he is member here, next time can get free consultation online.... shit! next member to go please remember to ask him!!!!! Last edited by cloudyrain; 04-11-2003 at 03:57 AM.

03-11-2003, 12:56 AM	#21
Hobbit6003 Dragon Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 1,909	Hi vil, Yeah, saw those pics in your gallery. Both aros seems to display the same clinical signs. As it is unlikely that both would have been traumatised at the same time, much less at almost the same region of their bodies, I've to suspect that the water would be the culprit. They are either partitioned, or in separate tanks right? A few more questions: 1. You said that the tank had been setup for a while, how long after it was set up before the aros went in there? 2. How long did it take for the signs to appear after the aros were introduced? It may not have been chloramine in the water, but some other undisclosed additives in there that is the problem. What you may do now, is to treat the aros for possible secondary infection, using anti-bacterial medication. If you can, you may want to perform partial water change using pre-filtered water, if you feel that the waste level is high in there. Better still, do a nitrogenous waste level test before deciding whether to do so. Cheers, Kenny

03-11-2003, 12:59 AM	#22
Leste Guest Posts: n/a	it lookz like kana burn from chorine..

03-11-2003, 10:17 AM	#23
Vil Guest Posts: n/a	Perhaps i can give a simple history these affected aros are actually from a comm tank of 8 aros. they have been there for 7 days as at today. the tank was cycled for 1 month with parrots and silver aros beforehand. salt was added before. before the addition of aros, i did a check on ammonia and nitrite and both levels were fine, there were no water change before addition of these aros. Day 1 all 8 aros were introduced, all doing fine and swimming well. Day 3 Found out that this aro looks injured, assumed that it jumped cos a few scales were missing. took it out for treatment. Currently this aro had the worst appetite of all. Still swimming but not really too comfortably, pect fins are sometimes clamped. Day 5 Found that this aro had slight protruding scales near mid region and top area of the body, adominal area unaffected. Two days later, these affected area began to darken. Took it out for treatment. Still feeding and swimming ok. Day 6 Found another aro in the comm tank displaying such symptoms, top and rear areas looked burnt, one side of the rear area has slight protruding scales. However, its swimming and eating fine with the other aros. Did a 10-15% water change for the main tank. The 5 remaining aros are doing fine. Will try isolate it tonite for treatment as well. pls help

03-11-2003, 10:42 AM	#24
cloudyrain Guest Posts: n/a	i bought my aro (1 only) from the same batch as vil's..... also suffering from the exact same symptoms.... so i don't think the problem is caused by the water or from jumping..... maybe some internal infection or parasite?? anyway, i'll probably be bringing my aro to the vet.... vil, u working today right? i'll update u.... keep ur hp on!!!!!!!

03-11-2003, 11:26 AM	#25
Hobbit6003 Dragon Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 1,909	Hi cloudyrain and vil, Thanks for the input. Yeah, it looks like it has an infectious origin, some form of bacteria or ectoparasite. It'll be good to isolate and treat them separately from the rest, lest it is contagious. It'll even be better to get the fishes to the vet for closer examination and treatment, as the key is to identify the organism that's causing this and render specific treatment to them. I assume that they come from a com tank from the LFS? If that's the case, the cramped condition in that tank may also render the water quality poor, which then perpectuate this infection, and unfortunately, decided to show itself only after you take the aros home. Cheers, Kenny

03-11-2003, 03:21 PM	#26
Johnny5 Arofanatic Join Date: Sep 2000 Posts: 134	HI Guys, Had similar experiences as well.., thought I might want to contribute on this area... This is definitely caused by inappropriate water condition, our tap water has been extremely unstable lately, while it is safe for us but not so for our fishes (this can be seen by the no of stingray deaths lately, most of them occured shortly after a water change). Aging water for 24 hours no longer works. I would advise while aging the water, that activated carbon be added with some bubbling in the water. I believe later cloudyrain will be back with what the vet says about this condition.

03-11-2003, 05:48 PM	#29
TES Arofanatic Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 182	Cloudyrain, So, were U actually topping up your tank with tap water directly & how many % did U change ? I do very small amount of w/c daily with tap water(for convenient sake) after sucking out the shit & larger amount on weekend with aged water & with genesis added. Looks like I better condition the water 1st before topping up from now on. Hope your aro will recover soon. Regards, ES

03-11-2003, 06:17 PM	#30
cloudyrain Guest Posts: n/a	yo tes, thanks.... yes, i add water directly from the tap... like u, i also change small % frequently.... around 1% at least 2 times a week.... sometimes more when i'm free.... but for my new aro, i changed no more than 0.6% during each of the 2 water changes in the past week.... (vet asked me, so i calculated at the vet's place) i brought this up to the doc too, cos i believe there's nothing wrong with my water changing ritual.... (frequency v %) however, he say the aro may have been affected when i'm topping up... (ie. the aro swim to where the tap water is being added in.... so it's akin to having big percentage water change with tap water) this shd be the situation in my case cos for convenience sake, i did not ensure that the tap water was added in while the fish is nowhere near.... vil, u got change water at all?

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