First time buying pure P13 rays so share here

[Zhuoyuting]

Originally Posted by Ben

bro, enjoy your new rays. if every pair of bd produces stunning quality pups, then very soon bds will go the way of cross backs. if it makes you feel any better, I have seen worse bds around. yours are quite ok to me

Originally Posted by takanori

Your male big spots very nice! Congratz to your road to exp ray i look more handsome than my bro, does that answer your qns? Lol haha.

Thanks for the explanation, at least it lead me to somewhere.
😊😊

[Zhuoyuting]

Originally Posted by nutx

Bro....you have a nice pair of ray. Keep it, and enjoy the growing stage.

personally, I can accept a breeder telling me that his BD parent produce not so nice BD and sell cheaper.

But selling it as a BDleo.....I think is a different story all together. Personnally again, BDleo is never close to BD or BD will never become a BDleo.
An ugly BD is Not a BDleo.
The tone of white n black is different.

Yes I will enjoy the growing stages. And post it here.

Good to see you here, cause your reply straight forward.
As mention a ugly bd cannot be name as bdleo. Cause bdleo stand for bd x pdr.
Not bd x bd
How will you Sell it as?

Ok good the black and white tone is different this could only be seen when the pups are bigger. We will need to wait for the rays to mature.

[nutx]

Originally Posted by Zhuoyuting

Yes I will enjoy the growing stages. And post it here.

Good to see you here, cause your reply straight forward.
As mention a ugly bd cannot be name as bdleo. Cause bdleo stand for bd x pdr.
Not bd x bd
How will you Sell it as?

Ok good the black and white tone is different this could only be seen when the pups are bigger. We will need to wait for the rays to mature.

Bro...as mentioned....BD nice sell High $$$...BD not nice sell Cheap cheap....
but still cheap cheap.....but $$$ is subjective to individual....

but don't quote me, as I'm just a hobbyist, may not have seen enough as those professional breeders.

but truely, your ray is nice... should look good as it grow.

[Zhuoyuting]

Originally Posted by nutx

Bro...as mentioned....BD nice sell High $$$...BD not nice sell Cheap cheap....
but still cheap cheap.....but $$$ is subjective to individual....

but don't quote me, as I'm just a hobbyist, may not have seen enough as those professional breeders.

but truely, your ray is nice... should look good as it grow.

It ok everyone has each of it own view.
Me too also learning...

Care to share in what way it nice. Let start with the female first.

[Nomis]

Originally Posted by nutx

Personnally again, BDleo is never close to BD or BD will never become a BDleo.
An ugly BD is Not a BDleo.
The tone of white n black is different.

Don't quite concur your view here, can elaborate how you differentiate the black/white colour difference here ?

Why ugly BD can't be pass off as bdleo?

What is BD Leo description to u?

Have seen n witness BD lookalike BDleo and BDLeo lookalike BD in the market ,as in accordance to their parentage gene in the breeding pond.

Hence, my take is see fish buy fish within your means and be happy with your purchases.And enjoy your new entry as much...otherwise groom ,learn n upgrade thereafter ...

Fish keeping is a Hobby to enjoy n de - stress and not a Stressful hobby.

one of my ugly BD that I pass her off as bdleo


Advance Christmas greetings to all here.

Simon -" in Italy Rome now celebrating my winter x'mas"

[nutx]

Originally Posted by Nomis

Don't quite concur your view here, can elaborate how you differentiate the black/white colour difference here ?

Why ugly BD can't be pass off as bdleo?

What is BD Leo description to u?

Have seen n witness BD lookalike BDleo and BDLeo lookalike BD in the market ,as in accordance to their parentage gene in the breeding pond.

Hence, my take is see fish buy fish within your means and be happy with your purchases.And enjoy your new entry as much...otherwise groom ,learn n upgrade thereafter ...

Fish keeping is a Hobby to enjoy n de - stress and not a Stressful hobby.

one of my ugly BD that I pass her off as bdleo


Advance Christmas greetings to all here.

Simon -" in Italy Rome now celebrating my winter x'mas"

Hi Simon,

I do not understand the need to pass off a BD as a BDleo....
My definition of BDleo is a mix of BD and PDR....hence if it is not a mix, then it is not a mix lor...why pass off as mix?

and if a BDLeo lookalike like BD, sell as BD? would the spot turn small when grow adult?

Most discussions in forum are on pup, hence they look similar....

Maybe you can show some BDleo adult vs BD adult to educate us.

On the colour tone...like I said, is my personal opinion. You try putting a BD and BDleo side by side, and see whether the colour tone is the same.
Maybe is just happen to those few that I seen.

Again, I'm a hobbyist not a breeder...

[kenray]

Nice bdleo.. dont think is a pdr..

[Zhuoyuting]

That great reply from both for you.

Hopefully all can share more so we would all learn together.

Is it normal for breeder to pass off ugly BD as BDleo.

Simon all the way from rome yet still sharing your view over here GOOD LEH you.
Thanks.

Nuttx i understand your point too.
But you haven tell me about your view on my female ray.

[nutx]

Originally Posted by Zhuoyuting

Nuttx i understand your point too.
But you haven tell me about your view on my female ray.

Bro...

Ray...to me is a unique fish, that every pc.... the pattern is unique and nice!
Some can even mark out the numbers, alphabet and images from the pattern.

There is no specific way of appreciating a nice fish.
Some like it black, some like it brown by motoro, or sp, some like big spot, some like small dots like star just like P14.


and as they grow, the pattern change...this is wat I like most.

[washywashy]

Originally Posted by nutx

Bro...

Ray...to me is a unique fish, that every pc.... the pattern is unique and nice!
Some can even mark out the numbers, alphabet and images from the pattern.

There is no specific way of appreciating a nice fish.
Some like it black, some like it brown by motoro, or sp, some like big spot, some like small dots like star just like P14.


and as they grow, the pattern change...this is wat I like most.

I concur with you bro. I don't agree passing off a BD that doesn't 'meet the mark' as a BDLeo. But if the seller wants to price it at a BDLeo price, it is up to him. As buyers, we shouldn't haggle too. Happy buyer, happy seller. Spend within your means. It is a hobby anyway! However, this applies to honest sellers though.

I also appreciate BD and rays in general for their ability to morph as they age. The thing is, I have seen very normal looking BD pups turning into a superb piece at a semi-adult stage. If I'm not mistaken, it belongs to Kai from Thailand. Happy ray-ing bros!